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greek and roman punishment
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993
From: Dan Tompkins
Subject: punishment (Gk.)

A student, majoring in criminal justice (popular field these days), wants to do a paper on Greek, and perhaps Roman, punishment. I've got some material lying around, but would be interested to know if there is anything on this topic written for non-specialists.

Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993
From: Gary Brower
Subject: Re: punishment

There is a recent book out on Torture (I don't remember the exact title), published by Routledge (I'm pretty sure). It has to do with the torture of slaves to extract legal evidence. It may not be for the "non-specialist", but there may be enough info in the notes to help your student. Also, of course, there's Foucault's _Disipline and Punish_ which might provide some interesting theoretical sidelights to a study of ancient punishment.

Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993
From: Jenny Roberts
Subject: Re: punishment (Gk.)

The book in question on torture published by Routledge is probably Page duBois's Torture and Truth, 1991. It is wide-ranging and includes chap- ter headings such as Plato's Truth, Democracy, Plato and Heidegger, Criticism/Self-Criticism, and Women, the Body, and Torture.

Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993
From: RRowland
Subject: Re: punishment (Gk.)

Part II of Garnsey's *Social Status and Legal Privilege in the Roman Empire* (1 970) consists of 3 chapters, Penalties and the treatment of the accused; Hadrian and the evolution of the dual-penalty system; the legal basis of the dual-penalty system. Despite the presence of Greek & Latin (ut solebat illo tempore), I think it should be accessible.

Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993
From: David Page
Subject: Re: punishment

Greek social history is not my field at all but at York University inToronto Canada in the History Dept of the Humanities Divison is to be found Virginia Hunter who does wonderful stuff on punishment, torture, policing etc. in Athens in the fifth and particularly fourth century. You might look for her name. I know she is about to publish a book on torture and punishment. It may have appeared already. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993
From: David Meadows
Subject: Re: punishment

On Roman punishment, the best place by far to start is with Digest 48.19 (Alan Watson and crew have translated the whole thing, so it is accessible). In fact, most of book 48 could be read with profit as it gives a good sense of what the Romans considered to be 'crimes'. After that, one could always turn to Crook's -Law and Life of Rome- pp 271-278. Depending on how deep one wanted to go, one should also look at Garnsey's Social Status and Legal Privilege. If further depth is reqested, see Rolf Rilinger's -Humiliores, honestiores:zu einer soziale Dichotomie im Strafrecht der romischen Kaiserzeit - (1988) and, more generally, Bernardo Santalucia -Diritto e processo penale nell'antica Roma - (1989). The Digest is, of course, the most important as it tends to avoid the voyeuristic glee which seems to characterize modern works on punishment and torture.

Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993
From: David Meadows
Subject: greek punishment

As promised/threatened, here are the paltry gleanings from my database in regards to Greek punishment: Drapkin, Israel *Crime and Punishment in the Ancient World* . Written by an MD it is not technical at all and would be suitable for a non specialist who really doesn't care about footnotes. It has sections on Rome, Greece, Babylon, etc. Saunders, T.J. *Plato's Penal Code* Non vidi, but its subtitle is: Tradition, Controversy, and Reform in Greek Penology, so it does deal with the subject. Hope that helps

Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993
From: Dougal Blyth
Subject: Re: greek punishment

There is also an older book (late 70s?) by ummmm, Mary MacKenzie (?) called *Plato on Punishment* (?), in case you cannot find Saunders (who no doubt lists it). D.M. MacDowell, The Law in Classical Athens (London 1978); and J.W. Jones, The Law and Legal Theory of the Greeks (Oxford 1966), I think, both discuss punishment. There might be something interesting too in T.C. Brickhouse and N.D. Smith, Socrates on Trial, (Princeton, 1989).

Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993
From: Cindy Smith
Subject: Re: greek punishment

There's a book I ran across some time back called "An Illustrated History of the Rod" by the Reverend William M. Cooper, originally published around the turn of the century. The author in his preface asserts that his book is intended for neither "the prurient nor the prudish." Although he gives graphic details of the use of the whip, the rod, the birch, the cane, and (horrifying) the knout, from ancient Roman and Egyptian times to monasteries and prisons, the military and schools, there are numerous instances in the book in which he simply says that the details accompanied in his sources could not possibly be published because "the coarseness, the brutality, the refined cruelty often exercised, were of a character so objectionable, that no good end could have been accomplished by giving every circumstance and every detail narrated in these old records...." At any rate, from his List of Authorities, I found the following items of possible interest for you: Boileau: Historia Flagellantium Brand's Popular Antiquities Grose's Antiquities Plutarch's Works Stephen's Travels in Greece, Russia, Turkey, and Poland Wilkinson's Manners and Customs of the Ancient Egyptians He also lists a number of periodicals, but I couldn't tell from their titles whether any would be of use to you. The book is published by Wordsworth Editions Ltd, 1988. The ISBN is 1-85326-918-2.
Culled from classics.log9303.
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