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Date:
Tue, 6 Jul 1993
From:
Ken Kitchell
Subject:
Vocabulary for animal noises
This
is a bit off the beaten path, but I am looking for instances of the
actual sounds made by animals in antiquity. I have a couple of lists
of the verbs describing the animals' noises (e..g. rugio, strepo,
etc) and could do with more and/or bibliography in this direction.
But most importantly I would like instances of the actual noise such
as the dog in Aristophanes which says, I think, "bau" and
the frogs and their famous call.
Date:
Tue, 6 Jul 1993
From:
Mark Williams
Subject:
Re: Vocabulary for animal noises
I
seem to recall that in Aristophanes' _Wealth_ a mosquito's noise is
rendered by the verb _bombew_. Sorry, can't find the reference, but
I think it's around line 500.
Date:
Tue, 6 Jul 1993
From:
Michael Haslam
Subject: Re: Vocabulary for animal noises
The
classic is Bruno Snell on the sound of the donkey in Hermes 1935
(would that be the year?): the only word Greek donkeys could
pronounce was No (*ou*) (important evidence for pronunciation of
*ou*)--while German donkeys could only say Ja.
Date:
Tue, 6 Jul 1993
From:
"Richard F. Thomas"
Subject: animal noises
i
would think it would be pretty hard to find much in the way of the
actual noi ses outside aristophanes. for latin there are the various
verbs (balare, pipiar e, hinnire, mugire), but of onomatopoeia i
can't think of much (Plautine "prox" comes close!).
Quintilian shows why the actual words don't survive in our text s:
(1.5.72: . . . sed minime nobis concessa est onomatopoiia. quis enim
ferat si q uid simile illis merito laudatis "ligkse bios"
(Il. 4.125) et"siz' ofthalmos"(o d. 9.394) fingere
audeamus? iam ne 'balare' quidem aut 'hinnire' fortiter dicer emus
nisi iudicio vetustatis niterentur. i don't own stanford's "sound
of greek" but he might have something.
Date:
Tue, 6 Jul 1993
From:
Kevin Clinton
Subject:
Re: animal noises
I
have not yet seen Kenneth Dover's new commentary on Aristophanes'
Frogs, but it should contain a good bit of information on animal
sounds. He discussed his research on the subject in a talk he gave
here several years ago. Kevin Clinton
Date:
Tue, 6 Jul 1993 16:19:25
From:
gregory crane
Subject:
Re: Vocabulary for animal noises (For Kitchell)
The
quickest way to find words for animal noises is to check the index
of definitions in middle liddell included in Perseus 1.0. A quick
scan comes up with: bark: bau/zw, katabau/zw, u(la/w, u(lakte/w pig
squealing: koi/zw cock crowing: kokku/zw of animals uttering a
shrill cry: tri/zw cattle and oxen: muka/omai roaring (in general):
a)nabruxa/w, bruxa/omai, bre/mw There are a lot more words that you
could go through (over a hundred words have "cry" in their
definition). The other strategy would be to search the english
translations for "squeal," "low", etc. Have you
checked the biological works of Aristotle? I don't recall if he
deals with sound or not.
Date:
Tue, 6 Jul 1993
From:
WEBB DENNIS W
Subject:
Animal Sounds
I
apologize if I am posting this to the wrong list, as the discussion
of the representation of animal sounds in Greek and Latin may have
originated on the Latin list. If so, perhaps someone could inform me
so I can re-route this. As someone else suggested, W.B. Stanford
does have a discussion of the representation of animal sounds in
Greek in his Sather Lectures "The Sound of Greek". See the
index under "animals, cries of" for several references.
Date:
Wed, 7 Jul 1993
From:
Don Fowler
Subject:
Re: animal noises
On
the Latin semi-onomatopoeic verbs, a good starting point is the
fragments of Suetonius' treatment of the subject (in Reifferscheid's
ed.). There is still a fair amount to be queezed out of this
subject: it's very relevant to Catullus 83, for instance, that
gannire is the noise not of a dog but a fox(y lady: see TLL).
Date:
Mon, 12 Jul 1993
From:
Virginia Knight
Subject:
Re: Vocabulary for animal noises
I've
always liked the noises made by Helios' animals in Odyssey 12:
'bleche' from the sheep and 'mukethmos' from the cattle. Apollonius
of Rhodes must have liked these words too, since he uses them in his
description of the same animals in Argonautica 4. |
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