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music in the ancient world
From: Mark A. Keith
Subject: Music in the Ancient World
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94

I have a student who is very interested in both Latin and music. He asked me if there exists any manuscript from the ancient world in which musical notations are represented. I would appreciate any information from experts on the this topic.

Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994
From: Bill Harris
Subject: RE: Music in the Ancient World

Iam not an expert on ancient music, but have looked into it with attention. There is almost nothing of Greek music, and the little inscriptional material is controversial for interpretation. However, there is some musical notation in MSS of Plautus, which had operatic (cantica) sections, for which I would refer you to a colleage of mine at Middlebury, Ursula Heibges, She has worked with this material for some years.

Date: Tue, 04 Oct 94
From: Joel Lidov
Subject: Re: Music in the Ancient World

M L West in _Ancient Greek Music_ provides a catalogue and biblio of what survives of annotated Greek texts (most are from the Roman period), and his own extensive transcriptions (i.e. reconstructions) with comments. It's pretty technical stuff.

Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94
Subject: Re: Music in the Ancient World

A recent short summary of what is known about music in the ancient world is contained in Giovanni Comotti's *Music in Greek and Roman Culture* (Johns Hopkins UP, 1989). It has a chapter on texts and musical notation.

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 94
From: Bob Ingria
Subject: Music in the Ancient World

Well, there are two recordings, based on the existing manuscripts, that may be of interest: ======================================================================
TITLE: Musique de la Grece antique. [Sound recording]
IMPRINT: Harmonia Mundi HM 1015. [p1979]
PHYSICAL FEATURES: 1 disc. 33 1/3 rpm. 12 in. [This is also available on CD/BI]
NOTES: Atrium Musicae de Madrid; Gregorio Paniagua, director. * Program notes in French, English and German on container; complete contents with listings of sources and instruments and voices on container; book ([8] p.) in French, English and German texts laid in.
CONTENTS: Side 1. 1. Orestes Stasimo, Euripides.--2. Premier hymne Delphique a Apollon.--3. Plainte de Tecmessa.--4. Papyrus Wien 29825.--5. Hymne au soliel. Mesomede de Crete.--6. Hymne a la muse. Mesomede de Crete.--7.Hymne a Nemesis. Mesomede de Crete.--8. Papyrus Michigan 2958.--9. Aristofanes. Nuees 275-277.--Side 2. 10. Epitaphe de Seikilos.--11. Paen. Papyrus Berlin 6870.--12. Premiere Ode Pythique de Pindare.--13. Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 2436.--14. Hymne chretienne d'Oxyrhynchus.--15. Homero hymnus. Benedetto Marcello.--16. Papyrus Zenon. Cairo fragment.--17. Terencio. Hecyra vers 861.--18. Gregorio Nazianzeno.--19. Second hymne Delphique a Apollon.--20. Papyrus Oslo 1413, A/B.
OTHER AUTHORS, ETC: Paniagua, Gregorio. prf SUBJECTS: Music, Greek and Roman. * Music, Ancient.
TITLE: History of music in sound. Vol. 1: Ancient and Oriental music. [Sound recording]
IMPRINT: RCA Victor LM 6057. [1957]
PHYSICAL FEATURES: 2 discs. 33 1/3 rpm. mono. 12 in.
NOTES: Title from container. * Recorded in England. * Automatic sequence. * "The history of music in sound. Vol. 1: Ancient and Oriental music, edited by Egon Wellesz. New York, Oxford University Press, 1957" (41 p. illus, music, 25 cm.) program notes by Egon Wellesz and Gerald Abraham, intended originally for use with 78 rpm. version, laid in container; corrected contents (p. 7-9) applicable to 33 1/3 rpm. version inserted.
OTHER AUTHORS, ETC: Wellesz, Egon, 1885-1974, ed. SUBJECTS: Music, Greek and Roman. * Music, Oriental. P
UBLISHER'S NUMBER: Issue no.:LM6057 RCA Victor ======================================================================
Despite its title, _Musique de la Grece antique_ includes the remaining Roman pieces, as well. (There is also a more recent CD that is a recording of only ancient Greek pieces, for those who are interested in Greek music.) A Melvyl search with the subject Roman Music provides over 400 hits, so you might want to look there. Among the entries that look relevant to Roman music in particular:
7. Anecdota varia graeca et latina / ediderunt Rudolf Scholl, Wilhelm Studemund. Hildesheim : Weidmann, 1989.
21. Anonyma de musica scripta Bellermanniana / ed. Dietmar Najock. 1. Aufl. Leipzig : Teubner, BSB, 1975. Series title: Bibliotheca scriptorum Graecorum et Romanorum Teubneriana.
67. Baudot, Alain. Musiciens romains de l'antiquite. Montreal, Presses de l'Universite de Montreal, 1973.
115. Comotti, Giovanni, 1931- Music in Greek and Roman culture / Giovanni Comotti ; translated by Rosaria V. Munson. Baltimore : Johns Hopkins University Press, c1989. Series title: Ancient society and history.
116. Comotti, Giovanni, 1931- La musica nella cultura greca e romana / [di] Giovanni Comotti. Torino : EDT, 1979. Series title: Biblioteca di cultura musicale ;. Series title: Storia della musica (Turin, Italy) ; v. 1, pt. 1.
402. Thesaurus musicarum latinarum : TML : canon of data files : including general information on the Thesaurus musicarum latinarum and the TML introduction. [Bloomington, Ind.?] : The Thesaurus, c1991.
403. Thesaurus musicarum latinarum : TML : canon of data files : including general information on the Thesaurus musicarum latinarum, the TML introduction, the principles of orthography, and the table of codes. [Bloomington, Ind.?] : The Thesaurus, c1992.
443. DISSERTATION Wille, Gunther. Musica Romana. Die Bedeutung der Musik im Leben der Romer. Amsterdam, P. Schippers, 1967.

Date: Tue, 04 Oct 1994 2
From: Stockton Garver
Subject: Re: Ancient Music

I'm sorry this is a bit vague (my vinyl is packed away in storage) but, there is a recording _Musique de la Grece Antique_ that was available about five years ago which has 20 or so tracks of ancient Greek and Roman music. It is performed by a French ensemble (I think) on recreated/reconstructed instruments, using bits and pieces of annotations from docs such as Pap. Oxyrhynchus; Pap. Berlin; Pap. Vienna; Pap. Michigan, with dates running from 6th/5th BC to 3rd/4th AD. As I recall, there are pretty extensive liner notes included with the recording; all I have accessible is the tape I made so I can't tell you any more than this. I believe I got the record from a Hackert or Barnes and Noble catalogue.

Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994
From: Owen Cramer
Subject: Greek music

There seem to be only the two recordings: Gregorio Paniagua's Madrid group (with the French title and all the extraneous percussion and reverb) and the older Oxford Hist. of Music companion set; both originally on vinyl, the Paniagua also now on CD. If one considered what is known about qualities of voice prized in Greece (I hesitate to cite it, but Allan Lomax invented something called "cantometrics" for the possible use of ethnographers: _Folksong Style and Culture_, AAAS c. 1970, which would supply parameters), the Oxford recording is too rounded Italian-opera in vocal style and Paniagua's group even not thin enough. The ascending/descending scale issue isn't as interesting as the tetrachord-type issue: the tetrachord is defined from top down by what happens to the two pitches between the "hestotes", which are tuned three different ways the most un-western of which is enharmonic, intervals of major third, quarter-tone, quarter-tone within the fourth. It's best to experiment with the existing fragments, starting with the Seikelos hymn (which doesn't use enharmonic tuning and which starts with a rousing rising fifth from the bottom of one tetrachord to the bottom of the tetrachord above it in the octave. What we don't have is a performance tradition continuous with ancient Greek song--musical revolution ca. 400 BCE and the intro- duction of Jewish chant by the Christian church prevented that at least in the higher registers of the culture.

Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 11:55:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Garrett Fagan
Subject: Ancient Music

Pertinent to a recent thread on ancient music, I got a flyer in the mail today advertising CDs of Ancient Greek and Latin Music. Interested parties should call 1-800-243-1234. I've no idea who accurate the music is. I just thought it might be useful for those interested.

The company's address is: Audio Forum, Suite A118, 96 Broad St., Guilford, Connecticut 06437. The CD is called "Music of Ancient Greece" (order no.:CD1112). The package "Latin Music Through the Ages" (order no.:SLT150) is $29.50 and covers Latin choral music from Medieval through modern times. It comprises a cassette and book of texts/essays on each piece. Shipping and Handling charges are: for order up to $25: $3.50; for order $25.01-$50: $4.50. That should be all you need to get the goodies.
Culled from classics.log9410.
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